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Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dont forget Iqbal also wrote songs devoted to integration and secularism of India.How he changed his views like M.A.Jinnah is a mystery.Most of the modern peoples in south Asia still beleives in secularism.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for visiting Vijay. Yes he wrote poems for India for he was definitely an Indian and loved his country. He didnt detest any country for that matter. It is usually said that after his extensive tours of the west and his deep study of Islam, philosophy and sufism changed his outlook in the later stage. Then, he wrote to uplift the lost spirit of the Muslims.

Other than this, he was a sufi and has written extensively about the purification of the self which he named as ’KHUDI’.

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Vijay,

Sadly the people of both Bharat and Pakistan will remain ignorant of the real history as long as they don’t start thinking for themselves and depend on politicians for their views.

Why Iqbal or for that matter even Jinnah changed their views is no mystery.It happened because Nehru and the Congress would not agree to a the Muslim demand for a separate electorate and fixed no of seats as per ratio of their population in the Indian upper and lower Houses for Muslims.

It was that simple.And you know why Congress did not accept this simple solution of giving the Muslims the rights they demanded for the sake of keeping India united? Because with such a large majority of Muslims in India how could they dominate the politics of post independence as they did for almost 30 years!

Exactly the same think our politicians did with East Pakistani voters -will led to the division of Pakistan.

Your politicians are so stupid ,they couldn’t even select the right name for their country! See my article on the misnaming of India.

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

please quotes his poems on India also.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”Saray Kahan sey acha ye Hindustan humara,

Hum bululay hein is ke, ye gulsitan humara”

Like all sufis he was in love with God and we find many poems which express that.

This is a great site about him: http://www.allamaiqbal.com/

You can find all the translations of his works here in English.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Oh sorry *correction*

”Saray Jahan sey acha ye Hindustan humara,

Hum bululay hein is ke, ye gulsitan humara”

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

SARE JAHAN SE ACHCHA HINDOSTAN HAMARAA,

HUM BULBULE HAIN ISKE,

YE GULISTAN HAMARA HAMARA.

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MAJHAB NAHI SIKHATA,

AAPAS MEIN BER RAKHANA,

HINDI HAI HUM WATAN HAI

HINDOSTAN HAMARA HAMARA.

I DONT KNOW WHY BOTH OF THEM,ULTRA MODERN INDIANS WITH NATIONALISM IN THEIR EVERY ACTION,CHANGED THEIR VIEW.

SORRY MADAM GRACE...FOR WRITTING FULLY IN CAPITAL LETTERS.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hehehe... who is madam Grace?

Well as far as Iqbal is concerned, he was a genious, a philosopher, a sufi... his vision brought Pakistan to a reality but unfortnately, it did not take the form of an ideal modern Islamic which he dreamt of as he was a fully modern man...

Having a separate state does not mean that we or he hate India or any other country, it simply means that we wud live our way and practice our values on individual and social level :)

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Politicians and Army with their personal interests can spoil any kind of philosophy.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

True Dr. Ratan.

If only our rulers had not be selfish and had established the authority of God here, this land would have been a paradise on earth.

Muslim World lived a wonderful age when Supremacy belonged to God and the rulers acted like His representatives on earth, not gods themselves!

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

What about other relegions and ancient hostory of ’now’ pakistan.People must preserve their heritage like Taxila

[Takshshila] and Harrapa and Mohun Jodaro.The historical background is very very old,even all relegion came thereafter.

i want your sincere comments Farih Jamil.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes Vijay, everyone should preserve it. I dunno what exaclty u mean by this? i mean we have taxila, mohanjo daro, Harappa and the statues of Buddha here even today! If this is wat u mean...?!

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sure. i also love this tarana:

sāre jahān se acchā hindostān hamārā

ham bulbulain hai is ki, yeh gulsitān hamārā

ghurbat men hon agar ham, rahta hai dil vatan men

samjho vahīn hamen bhī, dil hain jahān hamārā

parbat voh sab se ūnchā, hamsāya āsmān ka

voh santari hamārā, voh pāsbān hamārā

godi men kheltī hain is ki hazāron nadiyā

gulshan hai jin ke dam se, rashk-e-janān hamārā

aye āb, raud, ganga, voh din hen yād tujhko

utarā tere kināre, jab kārvān hamārā

maz’hab nahīn sikhātā āpas men bayr rakhnā

hindvi hai ham, vatan hai hindostān hamārā

yūnān-o-misr-o-romā, sab miṭ gaye jahān se

ab tak magar hai bāqi, nām-o-nishān hamārā

kuch bāt hai keh hastī, miṭati nahīn hamārī

sadiyon rahā hai dushman, daur-e-zamān hamārā

iqbal ko’ī meharam, apnā nahīn jahān men

m’alūm kya kisī ko, dard-e-nihān hamārā

Translation

Better than the entire world, is our Hindustan;

we are its nightingales of mirth, and it is our garden abode

Though in foreign lands we may reside, with our homeland our hearts abide,

Regard us also to be there, where exist our hearts

That mountain most high, neighbor to the skies;

it is our sentinel; it is our protector

In the lap of whose, play thousands of rivers;

gardens they sustain; the envy-of-the-heavens of ours

O waters of the Ganga mighty, do you recall the day

when on your banks, did land the caravan of ours

Religion does not teach us to harbour grudges between us

Indians we all are; India, our motherland

While Greece, Egypt , Rome have all been wiped out

till now yet remains, this civilization of ours {it has stood the test of time}

Something there is that keeps us,our entity from being eroded

For ages has been our enemy, the way of the world

Iqbal! Is there no soul that could

understand the pain in thy heart?

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes,boundries cannot describe and cant change the past.Its old very very old and yes you are right Buddhism also flourished there,but i’m talking about preserving history,which you can say ’Saajha Viraasat’.there is so much common between these two countries.even the music and dance culture.When people here see performing Pakistani artist here,they feel Apnapan.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes thats right Vijay. We do feel the same when we listen to indian songs or watch hindi movies. This is because we lived together for ages.... my social norms are still same.

However, there are certain distinctions and sure muslims living in India folow and practice Islam fine; the vision of Pakistan as i mentioned in the article was to establish the soverniety of God. And had it been established, there wundt have been any crime, rapes, poverty, corruption, unemployment and chaos here!

The vision of an Islamic State means that the entire land will be ruled according to the pattern as told to us by God Himself. Ofcourse the laws of Allah can no where meet the laws of man. The primary factor is that, only if the rulers take it as a trust of God, 90% issues will be solved. That the concept of ’Ameer’ or ruler in Islam.

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

oh..,its ..so great Farih Jamil.

Thank you very much..i got the full version of it.thats also in english.

people knows very less about Iqbal in India,and what happened to him there.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I think may be it is so because most of his work is in Urdu and persian. BUt sure he is a great inspiration of even the non-Muslims and is greatly read in the west.

His philosophy of ”khudi” or ”self” is a true inspiration of anyone who wants to attain self purifictaion and God. He says :

”Khudi ko kar buland itna kay her taqdeer sey pehlay,

Khuda bandy sey khud pochay, bata tere raza kya hai.”

(Elevate, or purify your ”self” so much that even God would ask for your consent before making any decsion of your fate!)

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Isnt it look like politicians and ’bad’ peoples are ruling this sacred land of our forefathers.There is no difference as per as genetics is concern.The blood is same.Then why all these wrong things happening?.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Well vijay i think our rulers are but our own reflection! YOu see we ple are corrupt in our personal lives, we dont take care of our parents, our duties, our means of livlihood are impure, we are not honest, we lie, we backbite, we dont give due rights of our servants and employees .....

I mean since our ruler is one of us, he only reflects the general degeneration and corrptuion of our society! When every individual will mend his ways, our rulers will also become honest and God fearing!

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes Farih Jamil,you are very much right.Start from self,...and this purification process will save the society.Degradation of human values is taking place everywhere.We are not following the right path.

Thanks and i want more articles and views including rare photos of historical ancient places of Pakistan.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks a bunch Vijay. India and Pakistan are like a part of each other and i have visited Dehli twice; it just looks like lahore :)

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Now the gap is of two generation.Earlier i have people,who are visiting their native places from Pakistan,used to take away,’watan ki mati’,with them.I asked,and he spoke that in Pakistan he used it on floor and then sleepes.This is attachment with their soil.

Vijay

Vijay — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks fariha Jamil,

I have visited the site on Iqbal.We used to read him in Hindi Language.Do you have literature in Hindi also.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Well i dunno any Hindi site of his works... may be you can find some books from local shops...

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

OOps sorry! ’such a large number of muslims’ - not majority of Muslims

Hassan Rizvi

Hassan Rizvi — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Farhia,

A beautiful concept- but one which Muslims have found it impossible to practice in any age.

And I am sorry but the dream of Pakistan was first envisioned not by our great philosopher poet Iqbal - but by Ch. Rehmat Ali whi in 1933 published a pamphlet, ’Now or Never’, coining the word Pakistan for the first time.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for your input Hassan.

”Iqbal encouraged the creation of a ”state in northwestern India for Indian Muslims” in his 1930 address.” Ch, Rehmat Ali was involved in coining the name. This is what has come to my knowledge :)

Siddhesh

Siddhesh — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Pakistan was formed as result of Islamic fanaticism, its fanaticism on which u strive and it will be fanaticism for which u’ll be doomed! If it wasn’t for religious fanaticism Pakistan would never evacuate 30 percent of it’s Hindu population either by butchering them or making them flee for their lives! Pakistan-India-Bangladesh is artificial split and true sons of this soil WILL restore the original HINDU RASHTRA one day even if it’s done in name of some Arabic god!

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

On 28 January 1933 Chaudhary Rahmat Ali published a pamphlet called ”Now or Never” in England propagating the idea of a separate homeland for Indian Muslims of the subcontinent and named it ”Pakistan”.

You are free to have your own views and spread the misinformation as truth.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Mr. Ramesh,

The soul of Iqbal is not giving me any commission to spread this information.... I already mentioned that the name ’Pakistan’ was suggested by Rehmat Ali but the vision was Iqbal’s. Anyhow, its not as grave an issue so no problem :)