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Bobette

Bobette — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I enjoyed reading your article, very well articulated. I have studied Islam and I agree with what you have presented here and I must say that I believe the world would be a much better place

Also, the little girl is so beautiful; she’s like an Angel.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks a bunch Bobette!

The truth in fact is that Christanity, Hinduism, and Islam and all the prophets that came were sent by God and taught one religion and way of life...

Whatever titles were given to religions were given infact one and the same. People later made changes in their religious books according to their own understanding. The only difference is that Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him)) came as a seal of Prophets and Islam came at the end to tell the complete code of life for generations to come till doomsday. All other prophets must be true but they were only meant for a specific period and specific people, whereas the final religion under the title of Islam, is meant for entire humaity and is not bound to any specific time or nation. All mankind is supposed to follow Muhammad and the Islam sent via him.

For those who doubt this should study their religious scriptures; he has been mentioned in Hindu as well as all scriptures of other religions.

I will try to write an article on that, if God wills, for the convenience of everyone.

Megha

Megha — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Agreed, but no where in ISLAM, it is written that you should kill innocent human beings, just for revenge and naming it as an act of martrydom! Do you think, ISLAM would in any measure, approve of the 16 blasts in Ahmedabad or in the 9-11 attacks in America?

Secondly, every religion has only good things to teac. Its only a perso’s perception of how he or she takes the teachings! It would have been more appreciable if you would have given only the positive aspects of Islam as a religion, instead of comparing it with other religions! Lets for one moment, stop comparing GODS and try to take only good things from every religion (positive criticism)

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You are so right Megha and you have all the right to say so since this is how it seems. But the fact is that there is no such thing as ”terrorism” is Islam and no where does it preach so. If Muslims anywhere kill any innocent people, they are not following Islam and are black sheep of our community, just there are black sheep in every community.

Secondly, 9/11 controversy is not PROVED. There is no eveidence to it and is based upon DOUBT alone. Infact a part of Americans now themselves beleive that US itself was behind it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBkhMWkzSBg

Still Allah knows the best...

Thirdy, you are right that religion teaches GOOD things and i have mentioned that throughout the article. But as youy can see, the focus of the article has been ’how to do’ and not what to do. I would love to hear any system that has been provided in any religion as how to acheive social and individual peace...please do share your knowledge as i do not know if hinduism or christainity have a practical social or individual system like that i have mentioned regarding Islam.

Finally my dear, I have not campared any Gods since there is only ONE GOD! Your blood is red and so is mine. You have two eyes and one heart and brain and so do i. So our creator is ONE. Comparision is required here since we are talking about a universal solution for mankind. We need to adhere to any philosohy, any faith that can put an end to this chaos we have in this world today. We should be open to it Megha... i am open to hear from anyone any solution, any faith or philosophy which can put an end to this misery and crime in our world. If anyone objects to what Islam has to say, he should also prescribe an alternative solution. I would adhere to it if it is better and more result oreiented than Islam :)

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I think it is proven beyond doubt that those attackers were islamic terrorists and so are the ones from 7/7, 13/12 and so on...

Zakir Naik is not a credible source by any means....

ABout One God, Two Gods or No God...u can never prove anything...no one is going to show up for proof...People just need a basic sense of logic which is lacked by people the religious fanatics.

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Islam may be the best religion for its followers. But it is not. No one has seen GOD, not even the prophet. Producing a religious book as evidence of the existance of GOD is a belief of faith and has been carried on through Christianity. Jesus Christ is the son of God and not god himself. Gods in Hinduism are incarnations of god and were born as human beings. They are reverred due to their super human qualities.

Islam is not the perfect religion. Increasing numerical strength through fear, scare, misinterepretation or misrepresentation, etc. is like collection of mob; which even Hitler did to justify his actions.

Islam does not teach peace for non-believers. It is peaceful, bountiful and showers all materialistic pleasure to its believers ONLY. It prescribes hell for every one else.

Islam is not clear on the basic concepts. It does not accept difference of opinion. It does not tolerate any other intrepretation. It shuns all forms of art, acting, music and throttles culture. It does not accept Salman Rushdie’s writing. It can destroy even a Bahmiyan statue of stone. Due to lack of clarity even a small time Maulavi issues Fatwa.

If only Allah is to be worshipped and no one else, why Muslim heads bow at the Dargah of Ajmer, Rajasthan or Haji Ali or thousands of such shrines?

Why do Muslims accept subsidy for their Haj piligrimage. It is because, it is permissible to enjoy other’s money by way of collections through Jazia.

I can go on and on and can quote verses from the Holy Quaran to support my contention but it would fall on deaf ears.

The basic question which all Muslims across the globe have to answer is; if Islam teaches peace; why terrorists killing innocent lives are Muslims?

The answer is : Islam does not teach peaceful co-existance with people of other religious beliefs. If I am wrong, let them quote a single verse from their holy book.

Milan

Milan — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

“Producing a religious book as evidence of the existance of GOD is a belief of faith and has been carried on through Christianity. Jesus Christ is the son of God and not god himself.”

BINGO! Very nicely put Mr Ramesh Balam. You are right. Could not have put it better. Thank you.

Megha

Megha — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Agreed to all of your points. But my only concern is that what is there in ISLAM, which is often used by these terrorist groups as a scape goat or an excuse to spread terrorism? How come these terrorist groups use the teachings to ISLAM as a perfect way of presenting their heinous crimes as an act of justice? The same goes for hinduism also! There are some so-called pro-hindu groups which make use of hinduism as a shield for hiding their barbaric acts! I guess the solution needs to be found out by us only! The common man! Ater all, the sufferer of these acts happen to be the common man only, who in most cases is not at all concerned with these debates.

Secondly, I dont agree with Ramesh, when he points fingers at ISLAM. Because, no religion in the world teaches non-violence! Its only a person’sperceptions of the teachings! Killing and murdering someone can never be a teaching of any religion or GOD!

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks Megha for your openmindedness and for bring about this subject that what is there in Islam which allows Muslims to misuse it.

Well, in islam there is a concept of jihad. Jihad mean to ”strive” wheras most people misinterpret it as ”fight”! This is sheer lack of knowledge. Jihad means to strive in the cause of truth or Haq and it can be in various forms like jihad with your money, jihad by writing etc. The last from is fighting when you have no choice and your religion is in danger or attacked by the enemy unduly. But even in this case, Our Prophet taught to work with peace and see if it can be settled without bloodshed. The last option is to fight if there is no way out. It is just like that someone would try to kill our child and you ought to fight with him to save your kid. In Islam we are ordered to fight if our faith is in danger and there is no other way to save it. Just like i have heard that in Maha Bharat, your prophets fight for the cause of truth. So thats a part of all religions.

Now what is happening today is an amalgamation of flasehood and righteousness. If any Muslim misuses this concept he is indeed wrong and Allah would discard his efforts. You are right many Mulsims are doing this with political or some negative motives behind it. But consider, if God forbid, someone would take over India or force you out of your house, what would you do? You would fight ofcourse. This is true in Afghanistan’s case. If they fight for their right, it is justified but if they kill innoccent people this is wrong.

(However, i personally believe that this all is too messed up for us to know what the truth is as it is highly politicized.)

The interesting thing is that in Islam the highest form of jihad is ”jihad with ones’ self” since all evil stems from there. It is unfortunate how most Muslims do not know this and are not interested in following it. I guess most of us have found it in our mothers’ lap that is why we cant value it. Those who study Islam and then convert, i think are doing justice to it. Such Muslims are mostly in America and Europe. They are true Muslims since they follow Prophet Muhammad step by step.

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

As per Fariha, only few converted true mulsims who only follow step by step the guidance of Prophet Muhammad.

How much is the percentage of those people? must be less than 1%. So as per her 99% Muslims do not follow the guidance of Prophet Muhammad.

Then what is the result of all this, what we are seeing in todays world ?

The religion should be such which can be followed by majority of people in the world.

There should be large number of people who follow it step by step and should attain the objective of uniting with HIM .

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Brother Thanks a bunch for opening up so many facets to it. Your long list of objections and questions call for me to answer with a long list of replies:)

1. First of all, Hindus need to clear the concept of God in thier own religion. I will quote some verse from your scriptures here which tell about Oneness of God and that nothing can manifest Him, which is identical to what Islam believes:

Ekam evadvitiyam”

”He is One only without a second.”

[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1

”Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”

”Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”

[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2

”Na tasya pratima asti”

”There is no likeness of Him.”

[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3

”Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”

”His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”

[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4

”na tasya pratima asti

”There is no image of Him.”

[Yajurveda 32:3]5

”shudhama poapvidham”

”He is bodyless and pure.”

[Yajurveda 40:8]6

”Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”

”They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). ”They sink deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”

[Yajurveda 40:9]7

Na tasya Pratima asti”

”There is no image of Him.”

[Yajurveda 32:3]

Brother, although my discussion was not on the concept of God in Islam or Hindusim, but the solution for mankind, but as you have mentioned it i elaborated it. If the quoted verses are true, God cannot be incarnated in any form to begin with. Most Hindus believe so whereas there scriptures say something else. (However, my subject is still not this.)

2. Islam never forces anyone to follow it dear. If it were so then all the Hindus in India would have been Muslims since Muslims ruled India for a thousand years and could force then to follow Islam. Quran clearly states that ”There is no complusion in religion”. (Unlike HITLER!) So your knoweldege is scanty on that.

3. Islam is very clear on its each and every concept and here are claer rights on non-beleivers in it. Quran mentions of Prophet Muhammad as ”A Mercy for all Mankind” and not for the Muslims alone.

Islam allow art and music but it doesnot permit brazenness ans shameless deeds.

4. For those who prostrate at shrines is their own choice; Islam does not tell this. You cannot blame Islam if some followers do something which it does not allow.

5. I dont know here you learnt that Muslims collect subsidry for Haj... in fact Haj or Pilgrimage is the last obligation that one may follow if he has the resources, otherwise there is no complusion.

6. Please quote from Quran whatever you feel like. I will love to hear.

7. Finally, if any Muslim kills innocent people of any religion he is indeed not following islam since Quran prohibits it and says ”He who kills a single person kills all of mankind, he who saves a single life, saves all mankind.” Islam respects the lives of its followers and non-beleivers likewise. This verse proves so and I have quoted it on your insistence my dear brother.

Terrorism is not Muslim monoploy and there is no place of Islam for this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-fNo8cDCt8

However, you put up many objections but did not tell about a single substitute law and system from your or any faith that could help mankind on individual and social level.

Brother all religions are infact one. We all, including the Muslims, need to study their scriptures and learn the truth and not merely go with what the maulvis or pandits say. Howver, Islam is the final solution and this thing and Prophet Muhammad has been mentioned in your scripture... he is the final avtar and by following what he brought can humanity be saved from this plight. May God help us to see the truth!

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I don’t want to sound anti islam or hindu chauvinist (I am hardly religious)...but you need to read some neutral, unbiased history...

Forced conversion and atrocities were rampant in the past, especially during the times of the likes of Aurangzeb. But it’s not easy to convert the whole nation. So your logic doesn’t hold good.

Don’t let your reasoning get blinded by religion.

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I just don’t want to stretch these points but a huge list can be compiled of destruction, loots and atrocities by the muslim invaders. If its own disciples don’t follow the principles what’s the point of preaching others?

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Most of what you said have already been contradicted by yourself and also by other readers.

I am not a scholar of religion. But I know that Hinduism is not a religion as understood by people of other faiths. At most, its a way of life. Hindus worship God in image (saakar) form and also imageless (Nirakar). One can remain a true Hindu without following or agreeing to anything written in its scriptures or said by its scholars. Its a matter of individual choice to connect himself or herself with his creator in the manner one chosses.

Islam is not the last religion. The latest and most recent is Sikhism. If Gandhiji, Saerojini Naidu, George Bernard Shaw and others were so impressed, did they abandon their own religion and embraced Islam?

Your suggestions are your own, which can be debated, agreed to or rejected on merits without bringing in the color of the religion; is what I intended to say when I commented on your blog.

Sasmita

Sasmita — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha, writing some quotes here does not mean that you have read and understood all the scriptures and epics of the world. How can you judge that Islam is the best of all. Evaluation and judgement is the part of a person who has read and understood all. But I don’t think you have that broad knowledge and capability. In that case you might have compared and cited good morals from other religions too. You are just one of those strict muslims, who want to spread their religion wider and wider.

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Every religion has similar attributes but the problem is that no single person (leader) seems to exhibit, as to how the society can follow the principles of the particular religion.

All most all leaders are using religion for different motives rather then the main objective of uniting with The LORD!!

There is need to have a leader who can work on that line only and rest all are taken care automatically.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

True Dr. Ratan.

We already have a leader named Muhammad (may peace be upon him).

George Bernard Shaw, a famous writer and non-Muslim says:

”He must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.”

(The Genuine Islam, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936)

K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian (Hindu) professor of Philosophy, in his booklet ”Muhammad the Prophet of Islam” calls him the ”perfect model for human life.” Professor Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:

”The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet. There is Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero.”

Sarojini Naidu says:

”It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: ’God Alone is Great’... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother.”

Professor Hurgronje:

”The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations.” He continues, ”the fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations.”

Edward Gibbon and Simon Ockley:

”I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND Muhammad, AN APOSTLE OF GOD’ is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion.”

(History of the Saracen Empires, London, 1870, p. 54)

”Mahatma Gandhi”, speaking on the character of Muhammad, in ’YOUNG INDIA’ states:

”I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.”

Dr. Ratan, your and my opinion and thoughts can be questionable, but not of great people like Gandi and the well read Christains scholars!

Megha

Megha — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Exactly, I totally agree with Dr. Ratan. The need remains to follwo all the positive teachings of the religion, be it any religion1 and the world would definitely become a better place to live :-)))))))))

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks Megha !!!

I have a question to all of You.

Why our society do not have any religion which is being followed 100% by its leaders and followers ? Have you seen any such religion anywhere ?

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I guess, the only answer to this question can be that so many socities of different origins cannot be brought under one leadership that easily. Maybe that is the reason why we can’t have one leader and one religion!

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dr. Ratan please do tell us which faith that is and the details of it on individual as well as sicial level.

Yes, indeed very few people are following Prophet Muhammad 100%. The reason is not because what he did was HARD or not pratical for common man, but the general degeneration of the moral and character of the people in the age we are born in. This is the end of times and times near Day of Judgment.. this moral collapse is a sign of that.

You are right, the objective of attaining HIm is the supreme cause of Islam as well. And for that Islam tells you to be with people, take care of all relationships and take care of the society. We cant say we want to unite with HIM and ignore the society. God has set this stage for people to perform, realize HIs greatness and return to HIM in the end. Merely by saying that the attaining Him is our sole aim, we cant leave the social element out. For this reason, Islam has given personal worships of attaining Him as well as social laws to give a COMPLETE system to His best creation.

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”the objective of attaining HIM is the supreme cause of Islam”

My question is have you met anyone who has archived that state?

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Megha indeed i agree with you and Dr. Ratan. But what are those personal and social laws that can make this world a better place?

The question remains the same... we all know what to do, i am asking if any faith tells you how to practically achieve results?

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

One has to live in this society and do all the tasks to fulfill the responsibility of family. But, one has also to work towards the main objective : the objective of attaining HIM.

Have we got any social setup where such balanced life is exhibited ?

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes Dr. Ratan. Saudi Arabia and Iran are two such examples where Islamic laws are implemented. I have been to Saudi Arabia and you wont believe but most shopkeepers do not lock up their shops and go for prayers; they are so sure that no one will rob them!

These countries have lowest crime rates and people are peaceful on individual as well as social level. They work, play and get married. In Iran too, women participate in all walks of life and observe hijab as well.

In Islam, attaining God is woven with serving humanity. The ultimate standard mentioned in the Quran is ”Say (O Mohammed) ”If you do love God,. follow me,. God will love you, ...”

One is to follow Muhammad as much as possible for him and he will attain God. He needs to fulfill all obligations including social as well as personal worship.

God remains ”the Objective” when we keep good relations with our family, take care of our wife or children, visit the sick, take care of the neighbour, feed the hungry or earn an honest living or go to the mosque or meditate in seclusion.

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

90 Square kilometer area falling in the villages of Shani Shingnapur of Ahmednagar district of Maharashtra state of India does not have any door in any house, shop, bank, etc; any when I say No door it means, no door what to talk about a lock ! It does not follow Islammic laws. Crime rate of Goa state of India is almsot zero. It was a Portugese territory. Many European countries have lesser crime rates. Saudia Arabia may be a model state for you but we don’t buy the argument unless you furnish the conclusive crime-data prior to the advent of Islam in Saudia Arabia vis-a-vis that of Islamic rule. By the way, is the crime rate in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan less in comparison to British rule?

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Over reliance of religion can create several problems which is seen in conservative countries. Religion should remain at a personal level if you need at all...

For once I can’t agree with the concept of wearing hijab to prevent rape. It is an against any sense of personal freedom and democracy. Such a system basically means all people are inherently wicked and so they need to be veiled.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Jitaditya, if religion is not a solution, then can you please share what is?

The concept of hijab is not wearing a piece of cloth on your head alone. It is as i have explained in the article already. Human beings are not inherently wicked but are weak and prone to evil easily.

If we keep these laws of God on personal level and choice alone, things can never improve.

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

As I have said...the solution is having common sense which is lacked by most of the common populace...

If you see how religions have evolved...they began as ways to address peoples insecurities as they din’t know why the sun used to set....

But having come thus far, it is now appropriate for the human beings to look at things more logically and not be swayed away by emotions. What you think as the gods law might not be considered so by someone else...and so it’s better to keep things at a personal level.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I respect your opinion Jitadiya, but by saying so you are not only denying others prophets and books but your own as well. This is the problem with most of the modern young crowd that they treat religion, any religion as ”dud”!

Zakir is no source for any Muslim But Quran and the words of Prophet Muhammad is. Plus it is not the Mulsims alone who are not following their religion 100%... christains and Hindus too do not follow their faith 100%... this is general degeneration of morals.

My intention is not to preach Islam here but only to present a solution for mankind as has been laid down by Islam. The surprising thing is that those who criticize it are not even presenting any alternate soultion!

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

As I have said already, a reasonable society has to be based on reason and not dogmas. Democracy is what should be universal. And every one should be free to believe any religion or to be atheistic if he/she wants.

I’m just not being ”fashionable” or ”cool” by denouncing religion. I have thought about it over the years and come to believe the same.

I appreciate your noble intentions but you are also giving an impression that Islam is the only solution which is going to create more conflicts.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

True Jiyaditra, my knowledge of history must be scanty but if anyone forced people to embrace Islam by force, he was indeed wrong and not a true follower of this religion. But who is forcing people to embrace Islam in America and Europe today?

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

As of now no one is forcing anyone...but the seeds of suspicion have been sowed by our ancestors over the centuries (I’m talking abt all religions)...so these things are better left behind the closet.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Jitaditya, if ”common sense” could solve the problems then i believe Americans, Japanese and Indians have the most grey matter yet their societies have the greatest number of crimes, rapes and suicides! We need the law of GOD and not man made gods brother.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for your valuable input Ramesh.

Just as in Hindusim, there is no Complusion in Islam, as Quran says ”let there be no complusion in religion.”

My intention of this write up has not been to ask people to convert to Islam but merely to present the solution as prescribed by it for the good of mankind. If Hindusim is a way of life (so is Islam), please share what laws it has for the society and practical solutions for us.

If Islamic laws are not good enough, i invite all to give us some solution.

Our quest is not to spread Islam but to reach the truth and attain peace for mankind :)

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

1. Who said that these places have greatest number of crime? What about rampant honor killings in Pakistan (happens in India also) or daily suicide bombings in Iraq or Afghanistan? In some countries all the crimes are not well documented or recorded.

2. God’s law? All the religious books are also written by some other human being. No one has seen ”god” and religion is just a result of our insecurity complex.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear, no one can show light to someone if Allah does not want to show light to him.

If you would, Prophet Muhammad was an unlettered man. Quran is the word of God not his.

You are free to believe whatever on personal elvel, but do share with me if you find a solution better than what we have been discussing so far for the mankind or society.

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Do you really think you have given some unique solution? These things appear in every religious/social book....but islam tries to achieve them with undemocratic means like restricting such basic preferences as what to wear!

I have given my solution already but it would be difficult for you to believe.

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Also you did not clarify your comment on ”number of crimes” in various societies.

I sincerely believe sexual crimes are more in oppressive societies in the third world if we take all of them into account(most of them don’t get to media)

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Jitaditya dear, if you think its wrong to enforce laws for the safety of people, please also get the seat belts removed from the cars ;)

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

No that’s different. It’s like saying don’t go out because thieves might come.

In a true open society(there exists very few) there are few crimes because all are free to live their life and no one is oppressed and frustrated.

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

A very nice article Fariha... here are my thoughts on it.

Islam is a great religion, and it has given the world many great men, but every religion is great and has contributed massively to the world. All religions have a code of conduct and law, Europe worked on Christian law for a long time, Hindu countries followed the Hindu law (Manusmriti), and other countries followed the laws as per the dominant religion.

Poverty: The concept of Charity in Islam is great, but it does occur in other religions as well. Hinduism and Christianity both have guidelines for charity, much like Islam.

Robbery: Yes, I am against the punishment of chopping off hands of a thief. As you say, it is brutal. Religions have to keep pace with times, it was fine in practise according to the times when this law came to the fore, but in this age it simply is brutal. Also, there’s something called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Rape: I can agree with you on that point.

The assertion that Islam is the only solution for mankind is incorrect. It is One of the solutions. I consider every religion to be a solution, and if you ask an atheist, you’ll hear something on the lines of ”Religion is the Opium of the Masses”.

Your comment here shows what many great people think of Islam. And I agree with every word there. But did you notice that not one of them converted to Islam? Why? Because every religion is as great as the other, and all of them followed great religion(s).

Your comment on Hinduism here is a collection of entries taken out of context. Hinduism clearly states that there is one formless, shapeless, endless God and the other deities are mere forms of the Supreme Being. I believe you’ve heard of the movie Fitna. What was it? A collection of verses shown totally out of context. And if you’ve seen it, you’ll agree that someone could actually believe those things to be true, simply because the context was wrong.

Every Religion in this world is an answer to all problems that plague the world. Follow any religion you prefer, or be an atheist, but always respect other religions, their thoughts, their expressions, their beliefs.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for your kind comments Harsh.

I for sure respect all religions; I apologize if you felt somewhere that I dont. Everyone has the right to think and believe whatever he likes.

Can you please brief a system that Hinduism or Christanity professes in this respect? Nobody is telling me that :(

I would like to learn more from you and others on other religions as well :)

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Can you please brief a system that Hinduism or Christanity professes in this respect? Nobody is telling me that

Can you elaborate a bit on that point? Do you mean you want parallels in other religions of the Islamic laws you have mentioned or do you just want to know if Hinduism and Christianity do have specific laws.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes Harsh, the parallels that other faiths have to these laws :)

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

In addition, Hinduism talks about a life after death! The heaven and the hell concept. Its written in our scriptures that a person has to pay for hus deeds or misdeeds in front of GOD after his or her death. Another concept of Hinduism is that a person who does good to other gets good returns while a person who commits bad deeds gets nothing but the worst in his life.

Bernard Shaw, the grear writer supported Hinduism as according to him the best thing about Hinduism si that it writes about Re-birth. The concept of Re-birth in hiduism is also based on the concept of good deeds and bad deeds.

hinduism is a religion, which says that a person surely gets punished for his deeds here only! and that too by the Supreme power!

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha, the only reason I asked that question earlier was because it was tough to believe that a person as intelligent as you would believe that charity and tackling crime could be exclusive to a certain religion. Poverty and crime have existed ever since civilization was born, and it is very obvious that every organized religion would seek to tackle these issues. This link will tell you what major world religions have to say on charity and poverty. You can have a look at that site to find more parallels in religions, and what religions have to say on specific topics.

Shahwar.K

Shahwar.K — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hats Off to you FARIHA madam!

Thanks for this engaging piece.

I hope write ups like these will be able to remove some unfortuante misconceptions people have worldwide regarding Islam- the most Scientific and dynamic religion of all, empowered to encompass all within its common arena.

I sincerely wish that people, stop judging Islam based on the begulling blasphemous writings of some ”writers” and the heinous activities of some ”fundamentalists”.

Why judge a religion from the activity of people, humans who are fallible?

Why not make your own ”informed” decision regarding Islam or any other faith for the matter?

Gandhiji was a Hindu! But so was Nathuram Godse.

So will you say that Hinduism permits violence or rather encourages it??

Or would you not like to maintain that Hinduism preaches the tenets of Ahimsa!

Would you then judge Hinduism on the yardsick of human follies, or would you choose it to reflect upon what it has imparted to your human faculties???

Be INFORMED! Be aware! Dont be guided by some who have ulterior motives which has nothing to do with religion!

First enlighten yourself ragarding the essence of Islam!

And still if you are not satisfied, then GOD have mercy on you!!!

Shahwar.K

Shahwar.K — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

that’s ”regarding”!

my appologies for the spelling error!

the ”you” i have addressed here goes out to all.

not to be mistaken to have been intented at Fariha!

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks a lot Shahwar!

I am too exhausted to write anything anymore...

phew!!! ;)

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

er... the point of this comment? Do you see it related to the article in any way?

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

oh Jitadiya man! America is one true open and liberal society; can you tell why there is so much crime and rape there?

Please think as you please brother. Islam tells us that we are not guardian upon anyone. My role is only to communicate the message not to convince anyone. But please have faith in GOD if not in Islam before it is too late...

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Let me get a few things clear.

1. I never gave the example of US, u r assuming it. It is also torn between blacks/whites & other racial tension.

2. As I have said, most of the crimes are not recorded in backward countries. Numbers will be more out there. In fact rape and honour killing is not even punished in certain societies and women are treated as slaves.

3. Democracy and individual freedom should be the basis of any modern society rather than any religion.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Over reliance of religion can create several problems which is seen in conservative countries. Religion should remain at a personal level if you need at all...

Jitaditya.. You have said all I wanted to and I don’t even feel like typing.. You saved my time and energy dude!! Lol..

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

thnx...at least it was of some use to someone!!!...:D

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I’ll leave my commenting to you, in this post.. If ya need some support for your arguments I’m here... online.. Let me know.. I’ll only be repeating what you have been saying all this while...

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Guys you are Kool!

”Salutes” lol :D

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Exactly! Religion is a personal belief and should be left like that only! Mis-using of religion for personal gains is nothing but atrocious! Secondly, we should not froget that religion is for people and people are not for religion!

Siddhesh

Siddhesh — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@Fariha,

Unfortunately, maam I have to say Osama and you do not ’preach’ much different concepts...difference is his ’ultimatums’ to us are more open and yours are a bit subtle...it’s him after you!!

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Unfortunately, maam I have to say Osama and you do not ’preach’ much different concepts...difference is his ’ultimatums’ to us are more open and yours are a bit subtle...it’s him after you!!

—— LOL! u actually cracked me up! LOL!!

Siddhesh

Siddhesh — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

so now it’s turn of Osama with Divine sanction...:D

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If you meet Osama say hi to him ;)

Franziska

Franziska — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Ms. Fariha Jamil is from Pakistan and we know where an average Pakistani’s loyalty lies. The point is why do Muslims have to come out with long articles like this to defend what is inherently wrong in concept, design and practice.

Chloe

Chloe — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I do not blame Fariha but Islam is something that the world can not live with because the religion disagrees with everything that has nothing to do with the prophet, his sermons and the Quran. They are in a state of perpetual denial to progress.

Max

Max — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

No matter whatever the followers tell about Islam, it can only show only bad things to the world about it. It is abhorring to see public stonings, hangings, floggings, amputations, beheadings even today when the world is moving towards knowledge and trying to break down ideological and physical borders. Almost 99% of the world’s terrorists are Islamic.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

sir, with all ur due respect, had u bothered reading up the article carefully, or atleast tried to understand the crux of the article u wudnt have come up with this statement. i suggest scroll up..read it again..:)

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

btw, please tell the source of your ”99% terrorists are Muslims”. Please tell me where was this survey conducted asking terrorists of their enthic loyalties????

Max

Max — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hi Fariha sorry for replying late because I did not log in. Regards your question about 99% of terrorists are Islamic please put forward a list of non-Islamic terror outfit and with their approximate numbers.

Do not count Bush and US army or Russian army in for their role in Chechnya. I will then show you that it is more than 99% of terrorists who are Muslims. 99% is a conservative number that you should accept thankfully without arguments.

Thanks.

Laura

Laura — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

History suggests that the most intolerant of religions had been Christianity and Islam. Christianity reformed itself and apart from small pockets of radicalism like the Holy See, it has come a long, long way in the path of civilisation. Islam then took over where radical Christianity left. Forced conversions and persecution of religious minorities in the Islamic world started centuries back. Now the world is threatened by the likes of Osama bin Laden to form a pan world Islamic caliphate.

Siddhesh

Siddhesh — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Well, out of all these ultimatums (or so called ’solutions’ by u) what interests me a bit is economic prescription of Islam! There indeed wont be poverty if every person donates 2.5% of his income...but then can u give me reason why are there sky-high economic differences among 80 Muslim nations of the world like Somalia, B’desh, etc. on one side and Saudi, Iran, etc on other side...if Muslims could achieve atleast one level of prosperity amongst themselves world will definately think of ur ’Islamic’ solution to end the crisis atleast in this regard and honor this Islamic practice!

Sumit

Sumit — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ Fariha:

There is no doubt within the Hindus about the concept of God. Hindu’s believe there is only one God and God has countless forms and each form is worshipable. Not necessarily in just one form or the lack of form.

Now tell me what do you think when you think about Allah? If you say you draw a blank because there is no form of God then you might just be thinking about almost anything on earth including Peter North’s prodigious manhood. Don’t mind this, but to worship God you must have a form and Hinduism provides for this. This is the reason why people like you find it so hard to grasp the complexities that lies in utter simplicity of Hinduism.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sumit dear, our subject was not the concept of God in Hinduism and Islam, but a solution for mankind. Someone brought this about, and i commented on that. I apologize it i have hurt your feelings.

Unlike you, I have not attacked anyone personally here. This forum was intended to discuss things in healthy envirnonment and share knowledge. However, some people are giving negative connotation to it... its sad

Valera

Valera — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

This is a question to people from all faiths including Islam from all over the world including Islamic Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

Imagine a terrorist. What is the first picture that comes to your mind? A radical Islamist sporting long beard, and a skull cap typical of an Islamic trademark. From Kosovo to Kashmir, from Chechnya to Bangsamoro it’s all the same.

Islam is a dangerous faith. It poses an even greater danger to the world than all nuclear weapons during the Cold War.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Valera, please stop American and Europeans from accepting Islam if it so threatening!

BTW when we think of terrorists, Bush’s picture come to our mind (he has no beard, does he?)

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

yes, it does! but tell me something, what drove these people towards terrorism! here are some peopl who are cruel-minded and take pleasure in killing people. But there are many people also who were forced to take this path in order to save themselves! The 2002 Gujarat riots are a live example of this! Hindus killed muslims and visa versa in gujarat, because their families were in danger! Can we brand these common men also as terrorists?? fter all killing ormurder is the most heinous crime on earth! and every religion says so!

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

ISLAM IS NOT A DANGEROUS FAITH. SOME OF ITS FOLLOWERS INTREPRET CERTAIN VERSES OF HOLY QURAN TO JUSTIFY FORCEFUL CONVERSION OR STRIKING TERROR ON INNOCENTS. THE IRONY IS THAT THE INTELLIGENTIA AMONGST THE MUSLIMS KEEP QUIET, DO NOT PROTEST STRONGLY AND DO NOT PUT AN END TO IT. IF AT ALL, THEIR RESPONSE IS THAT THE MISCREANTS ARE NOT TRUE FOLLOWERS THEREBY CREATING FURTHER CONFUSION OF TRUE AND FALSE BELIEVERS OF A PARTICULAR FAITH.

Renaud

Renaud — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Byzantine Christian emperor Manuel II Palaiologos said;

Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.

This is what another radical (this time a Christian one) Pope Benedict XVI quoted in a theological discourse causing furore.

Okay, one radical should not say such things to another. After all, people who live on glass houses shouldn’t throw stones at others’. But Christianity has undergone tremendous reforms. And what Manuel II Palaeologus said was not entirely wrong. The Islamic society should take measures to reform themselves.

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

The claim to fame of that emperor?

1) He ruled the Byzantine empire. Perhaps as the most nondescript of its rulers, but he managed to rule it.

2)He was quoted by the Pope.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Muhammad spread evil is blasphemeous!!!

I shall not discuss with you anything here except to quote the great Mahatma Gandhi here:

”I wanted to know the best of one who holds today undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.”

And unlike you, we ”evil” Muslims believe in ”your Christ” and if anyone disrespects him, he is as great a sinner to us as the one who disrespects Muhammad!!!

THIS IS OUR ISLAM!!!

Renaud

Renaud — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I was only presenting what seems to me the best solution for mankind and its problems.

Muhammad preached everything evil and the religion of Islam is nothing but pure Satanic. Where in any other religion do you have the ‘divine’ sanction of stonings and amputations that is still practiced in the 21st century?

Islam and its practices brings about a sense of revulsion in the civilized world. The quicker you know it the better for you. This is the Devil’s own order and Muhammad is the Devil’s own messenger.

Isabel

Isabel — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha Jamil -

There is no comparison between Hinduism and Islam. Hinduism has countless sects and sub-sects. Islam by nature is a fascist type of an entity that some people consider as religion where strict discipline is maintained at the crack of a whip. It doesn’t have any room for variants like Sunnis in Pakistan do not consider Shiites or Ahmadiyyas as Muslims.

Islam is just plain fascism in the name of a religion that breeds radical terrorists.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Isabel, please upgrade your knowledge on Islam and then we will discuss... btw the way, it would be nice if you would respect all faiths as i neither disrespected Hinduism nor Christainity...

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear all,

I was only presenting what seems to me the best solution for mankind and its problems.

I invited all to share their solutions for the present day’s misery and chaos.

(I asked no one to ”embrace” Islam or become a Muslim.)

Everyone very well participated and criticized Islam to their best. I have taken your criticism positively and accepted the wrong that the followers of Islam have done, but that is not to blame Islam.

You all have criticized Islam very well but not presented a single solution for crimes, rapes, robberies and poverty from any faith or philosophy....

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You still havn’t got the point. What you think to be a ”solution” are all suffocating measures. You think Saudi Arabia is an ideal place? A place where even cinema halls are banned in the name of religion and people are beheaded for petty things?

I’ll again say it...Solutions doesn’t lie in religion...when everyone gives up religious dogmas, it’ll be a much better place.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Jiyat... o i have problems with the spellings of your name;)

You are free to think whatever you feel is correct dear. I didnt impose my opinion upon anyone here. So, ”Chill chill just chill...

Sasmita

Sasmita — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Fariha all have not criticised Islam, but all have criticised your view point, as you have said that Islam is the best. All of us love our religion and God, because we understand it better than any other, hence we respect it and believe it more. You can not easily convince anyone that your religion teaches the best moral.

There is not a single solution to the problem of crimes, rapes, poverty etc. I think education, employement and good living has the solution and not any religion, like Islam or Hinduism or any other religion for that matter.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sure Sasmita, you have all the right to think and believe as you feel.

Thanks for your input dear.

Isabel

Isabel — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha Jamil -

Isabel, please upgrade your knowledge on Islam and then we will discuss... btw the way, it would be nice if you would respect all faiths as i neither disrespected Hinduism nor Christainity...

That’s no reply and certainly not an argument or a refutation. I expected something better from you. Of course you failed yourself.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If truth is failure, i am more than pleased to fail dear :)

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I don’t get it! Why are we all fighting for Religion! Fariha (nice name!) was only asking for better solutions to make this society a better place to live1 In the course, she gave exaples from her religion. But, at the same time, she also asked for alternatives! So, instead of accusing ISLam or for that matter, any religion, it would be much better to talk about the much needed solutions to improve the deteoriating conditions of the world, where we live in today!

Seconldy, I would again like to repeat, Religion has been made for humans and humans have not been made for Religion! Its one thing of followingone’s religion, but its not at all a good thing to accuse other religions!

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thank u so much Megha. SOMEONE is atleast there who can understand the POINT of this article! Yor are like a shade in sweltering heat!

Phew... God bless u ;)

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

We are not fighting over religions...

Fariha has given her point of view. But we have the right to express our disagreement over the logic or reasons she’s given.

As far as ”solutions” are concerned, she’s too innocent to believe in these solutions. Human civilization is complicated enough and no immediate solution exists, not at least in theological domain.

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

That si what even I am saying! The solutions are too many and too diverse to follow! Every one of us has to improve ourselves in order to make this world a safer place to live! I think that would be the most practical thing to do!

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I 100% agree with Megha that the first thing is to correct our ”own beings”

If EVERYONE can do this, there is no need of any social law. However, right and wrong varies from person to person as we are individuals.

To some killing is right, to some raping is right as its satisfies him.... whats the benchmark then? Who will stop such people then?

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Religion at personal level brings peace...

But take it to any higher level it complicates, implicates, manipulates and instigates...

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I mean to say religion and faith are ok at personal level ONLY.

This war of faiths which rises from religious preachings lead us only to real wars.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You are right Madhuri.

However, I presented here a ”set of laws” which to me can solve the issues that i mentioned. It is just a matter of chance that these laws fall under the title of Islam. Even if they fell under the name of any other faith or no faith at all, i think they will be as effective :)

My point were the laws not the religion...

Nishi Roy

Nishi Roy — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@Agree with u Madhuri that religion at a personal level brings peace. But, one cannot ignore the fact that most terrorist activities now days in this world are done by those followers of Islam who cannot let people of other religion live and let live.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Nishi, I think i have already explained this point many times here that anyone who is a terrorist and claims to be a Muslims or a follower of Islam is deceiving himself and others!

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Nishi

what about Hindu organizations spreading terror in the country??? Are they not the terrorists???

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Megha.. name one.

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@Megha

If you are referring to parties like shivsena & RSS, they are fanatics but not terrorists. They also have an outdated worldview, but takes part in democratic elections and remains within system.

There might have been some incidents but they are childplays compared to 9/11 or 7/7.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Is Sri Lanka, LTTE is the most notorious organization and expert in suicide bombing. This is a HINDU terrorist organization but they are not called Hindu terrorist organization, but LTTE!

Harsh i think it is very lowly and miserly for me to mention it here, but people are so unfair to associate all terroism to Muslims! There are Christain terrorists, Hidu terrorists, Sikh terrorist....

But its crazy to associate any of these to any religion as none of these faiths teach to kill! We Muslims dont associate terrorism to Hinuds or Christains, but you guys very conveniently link it to ISLAM! Be reasonable please!

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@Fariha...

That is where most of the people will make analytical mistake....

It’s about the motive and reasons behind the terrorists...

LTTE are hindus but they are not fighting for a hindu state...they are a tamil linguistic group and want a seperate Tamil nation which is a result of centuries old ethnic conflicts with sinhalis...

On the other hand Islamic terrorists (I din’t really want to mention it again) fight purely in the name of religion and their aim is to establish universal rule of Islam.

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha, I hope you have noticed that not once have I linked terrorism to any religion. Megha was pointing to some supposed Hindu terrorist groups and I just asked her to name a group.

The LTTE are not a religion based terrorist group. They are a linguistic and region based group. They may have a large number of Hindus in their ranks, but it is basically about the Tamils in Sri Lanka. Tamils, that may also include Christians, Muslims or any other religion for that matter. Its a clash of region and linguistics, nothing to do with religion.

Megha

Megha — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Harsh and Jitaditya, Terrorism means spreading terror in the eharts of innocents! Be it in any manner! wha about the riots that are caused by these so-called political parties! When you kill someone, you become a murderer! You can’t be pardoned just because you committed the murder by remaining within the system! Yes, these hindu organizations are not into limelight as these Islamic organization, but we can’t give them a clean chit because of that! Infact, killing and bringing harm to anyon e in the name of religion is no doubt an extremely horrible act!

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Why do you assume that they are being given a clean cheat?

But we must note that this has been the biggest irony of Indian society, that we try to be too humble and nice. Drawing parallels between Pan Islamic terror and petty events by these organizations is another effort in that direction.

We have been too soft a country and have suffered because of that.

Harshpaul

Harshpaul — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Your definition of terrorism is utterly wrong. The religious organizations you are talking about are called the ”right wingers”. Every country and every religion has them. And there is nothing they have to do with terrorism. BTW, there are many other religious organizations in India, following other religions. And they are not called terrorists, they are called the hardliners or the Right, just like you may call the organizations you are so diligently pointing to.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If we condemn terrorism in totality, let us condemn the ones killing innocent people in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in palestine, Gujrat, Lebnon... no but we dont. Why? Because that is very sophisticated form of terrorism ”We are killing the Muslim terrorist” by bombing in civil areas where children and women are killed like sheep!

When the christain terrorists kill people, take their land by force and call it the ”war against terror” it is justified! And when the same people react to it, they are ”Muslim terrorist”... how fair and modern outlook on terrorism!

Dr.Ratan Saini

Dr.Ratan Saini — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I agree 100% with Fariha!!!

One should have honest view point and rules should be same for everyone.

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You have given several flawed logics so far and have not responded when pointed out.....

This is also one of them...you have reversed the direction of ”reaction”...

After killing 4000 innocent people in a single stroke..it was obvious that Afghanistan was going to face war. (while I don’t support the Iraq war)....

But what prompts the natives to indulge in killing civilians through suicide bombings? That is what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq nowadays. Also why so much hatred and bloody conflict between Shia & Sunni muslims?

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And so far no one has mentioned the barbaric acts of Talibans like destruction of Bamiyan Budhdha, Kabul museum etc...in the name of religion...no one else would have done it...

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

LONG BEFORE MUSLIM TERRORISM CAME INTO LIMELIGHT IT WAS CHRISTIAN TERRORISM THE WORLD OVER. IN CASE OF DOUBT, PLEASE READ JESUIT OATH.

Renaud

Renaud — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

LONG BEFORE MUSLIM TERRORISM CAME INTO LIMELIGHT IT WAS CHRISTIAN TERRORISM THE WORLD OVER. IN CASE OF DOUBT, PLEASE READ JESUIT OATH.

Completely agree with you. I have read most of the comments and I cannot agree more with you. I am a religious scholar but follow no religion and therefore I speak my mind out. The atrocities done by the Christians during Spanish inquisitions and campaigns like the Battle of Tours is ample testimony that Christianity is the mother of all religious terrorism that we see in this world. Islam has just borrowed a leaf out of Christian ways in the form of the evil Muhammad carrying out his jihadist campaigns.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Jita,

For a thousand times i have mentioned here that whoever kills anyone , any innocent person is WRONG and Islam doesnot permit this! If their reaction is wrong they are wrong.If they killed innocent people, they are wrong and not following Islam.

Afghanistan war was based on DOUBT that Osama has been behind 9/11. Now is it justified to impose ”war” on a whole nation even if one man, or a few men did something wrong? They could have caught them and punished them but they destroyed the entire nation and still Osama is no where!

The greatest terrorism is done by American polititians not Muslims!

Jitaditya

Jitaditya — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha,

My intention is not to defame any religion...but you think only muslims have been the victims of biased methods by the rest of the world, which is not correct. And although full scale war is not reasonable, you can expect them when such terrorist attacks go out of control. How do you think anyone would have caught Osama? Had Talibans allowed it? Now he is alluding arrest. But is effectively castrated and can’t do a second WTC.

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Your suggestions are childish, impracticable and all hogwash. Colouring as if it has religious sanctity made it dangerous. That was my initial objection.

Social scientists over the centuries have pondered over this question and have found practical solutions depending upon territorial, geographical, social and cultural considerations. You may like to read it. You may have to wait. I would try to provide you the relevant links to enlighten you on the subject.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sure Ramesh, I might be a child or a crack pot even!

I am ”nothing” but a slave of God and trying to be a better one. I am not trying to spread my religion here because we ”dont” beleive that anyone can guide any person in this matter as it is Allah who shows light to others not people.

I am only sharing what i feel with others and learning from knowledgeable people like you :)

Ramesh Balam

Ramesh Balam — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I did not say that you are a child. For me, you are young and beautiful. You have nice ideas for the mankind and are possessed with the qualities to engage a person of divergent and opposing viewpoint into a serious discussion. Its rare to find people of such articualtion now-a-days. In sophisticated language, I may say, you are a capable diplomat and a lovable person.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thank you Ramesh; this is indeed your generosity.... Once a person came to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and said all bad things to him. He replied, ” you are true.” Then another came and said all good things about him. He replied ” you are true”. His companions asked him the reason for both the replies and he said ” I am like a mirror; every person percieves of me the way he is himself.”

I dont intend to equate myself with him (Godforbid), but i feel we think of others the way we are. If we find faults with people, they are within our ownselves and if we think people are good, it is our own inner beauty.

Your appreciation is your own beauty.

All praise is for HIM and due to HIM. God bless u:)

Jayashree

Jayashree — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Fariha, of course Islam doesn’t preach terrorism, no religion does that! Not even Satanism. The Satanic Bible doesn’t say ”kill thy neighbour, rape thy sister..etc”.

But it does appear very selfish to say that all the problems of the world can be resolved by following a certain religion. The basic tenets of Islam are the same as Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Satanism..and all the other well-known and little known religions.

It would be dumb for me to ask you to convert to Hinduism because I believe in it. Or, for that matter, to ask an atheist to believe in any God. Our problems can only be solved by logical thinking; leaving emotional concepts like religion out of it.

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Jaya dear, i never asked anyone here to accept Islam, did i?

I respect your opinion and pray that our world finds peace by some way, logic, reason , faith or whatever.

Our quest to me is a solution and not relgion...

Jayashree

Jayashree — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@Fariha I got disturbed by all the religion-bashing being done here. For me, the religious boundaries don’t exist, so there is no question of conversion.

I love that you say ”our world”. That’s all that matters, right? :)

Fariha Jamil

Fariha Jamil — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:00:00 +0000

@ Jayashree. Yes indeed yar!

I am sorry if you got the inpression of a religious war here...lol... but my intention was to find a solution for us, not a religion. And what seemed the best to me according to my experience and knowledge thats what i expressed.

No one has copyrights of the world or God for that matter; the world and HE are as much mine as yours....

I feel at least all of us should strive for truth and know the purpose of creation.....for our own good if not for the good for world at large.